The problem of corruption is no surprise today. It is no secret that an accountant in his work may encounter it. Where to turn for help in Moscow and how to counter extortionists - in our interview.

Mansur Ravilovich Yusupov, Chairman of the Moscow Anti-Corruption Committee at the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Director of the Directorate for Combating Corruption and Ensuring economic security

- Mansur Ravilovich, can an accountant apply to the Moscow Anti-Corruption Committee if, for example, an official extorts a bribe from him?

- Undoubtedly, the accountant can contact us. We, together with the prosecutor's office and the UBEP, are organizing a set of measures that will help to expose and detain the extortionist. For efficient operation between the Moscow Anti-Corruption Committee at the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry (MACC) and the Moscow Prosecutor's Office signed an agreement on interaction and cooperation.

They contact us quite often, up to ten calls a day. As a rule, heads of enterprises, together with financial directors or accountants, address problems arising in financial activities. In addition to extortion, this can be, for example, raider takeovers, hostile takeover attempts, etc.

What should be done if an official extorts money?

- In the case of extortion, it is necessary, if possible, to record a conversation with an official on a dictaphone, for example, on mobile phone. Then you can contact us by phone, write an e-mail or come to the office.

- And if such a record could not be obtained, then what to do.

- If it was not possible to make a dictaphone recording, it is necessary to write a statement about the fact of extortion and transfer it to law enforcement agencies directly or through us. But in any case, it will be up to the authorized bodies to decide how to organize a red-handed arrest and initiate a criminal case. MACC experts may be involved in the case as consultants.

I also want to say that extortionists do not always act openly: you give me money, I give you a good solution for a tax audit. Hidden forms of pressure are often used: misinterpretation of regulations, use of internal instructions and departmental orders. In this case, upon a complaint from an accountant, we can use the help of expert economists who will examine the requirements of the Federal Tax Service for legality. This conclusion will be proof of the excess of official powers of the official.

- Tell me, will the committee consider an anonymous application?

— No, we do not consider anonymous applications. By law, only FSB officers, in cases where anonymous information is of operational interest, consider anonymous letters. But at the same time, I want to inform you that MACC works confidentially with the person who applied.

- Mansur Ravilovich, where is it better to turn after all if they extort a bribe: to the MAKK, the prosecutor's office or the Ministry of Internal Affairs?

- It all depends on what structure the official is from. If the extortionist is a police officer, then to the prosecutor's office, if he is from the prosecutor's office, it is better to the FSB, etc. If it is difficult to determine who is better to contact, come to us. Knowing the situation from the inside, we will decide how to get rid of the corrupt official.

What else does the committee do besides helping entrepreneurs?

— We also conduct an independent anti-corruption legal examination of various bills and regulations. We also regularly send legislators our proposals on countering raiding, counterfeit products and organized crime. We are actively working on improving the work of control and supervisory bodies.

In our opinion, the most effective method combating corruption is a personnel rotation of all bureaucratic positions. For example, it is necessary to carry out a change of leadership (top officials and deputies) in state institutions every three years. Rotation can be done within the structure of one ministry ( federal agency, services). It is necessary to transfer an official to an equivalent position with practically similar functions without changing the salary, but, say, to another region, district, district.

- Large scale project. What do you think, if in one city to change places of officials, then there will be no effect?

- If a rotation is carried out in one city or region, then only with an order not to take any of the former subordinates. the main objective— to break up stable corruption schemes, groups and communities established over the years. Ever since Soviet times, corruption has flourished through the selection of personnel on the basis of nepotism and kinship. This is what needs to be dealt with first.

On Wednesday, May 28, the Moscow Anti-Corruption Committee at the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry held a meeting in the building of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation dedicated to the five-year anniversary of the committee. At this event, it was supposed to sum up the "results of the activities of the MACC for 5 years." The correspondent of the First Anti-Corruption Mass Media asked the co-chair of the committee Mansura Yusupova to tell what the MACC has achieved, what problems it has faced, and what tasks it sets for combating corruption.

— Mansur Ravilovich, tell us what problems you face when providing assistance to entrepreneurs who have applied to you?

- With formalism, callousness, indifference of some organizations, especially the police. In general, we have imposed very a good relationship with the Prosecutor's Office of the city of Moscow and with regional bodies prosecutors.

We have reached another stage, we are already an interregional public organization, we have transformed into a national committee. Now we have opened a public office in Crimea, got in touch with the new leadership of Crimea, and we are expanding this activity there. A public representative office was also opened in Simferopol. We open in Sevastopol. In the near future, we are planning to organize Novosibirsk, Khabarovsk, Amur, Samara regions and other regions, representative offices will be opened.

Now we are deploying not only narrow anti-corruption activities, but we are already deploying the provision of public control, including public anti-corruption control.

— Well, what problems do entrepreneurs have?

- Most often, small businesses apply, whose rights have been violated. This is the most vulnerable group, because they do not have the ability to maintain legal services, they do not have the opportunity to build protection, so they turn to us.

- Can you help them?

- We accept a statement from them, make an expert opinion. IN different occasions we act in different ways: we involve law enforcement agencies, or the executive authorities of Moscow to protect legal rights and business interests.

Not always everything works out, but nevertheless we bring most of the appeals to their logical conclusion. On many appeals, criminal cases were initiated, or vice versa, refusals to initiate criminal cases were issued.

— What problems arise in providing assistance to entrepreneurs?

- The main problems are the indifference of the police to a greater extent. These are formal replies, failure to take action. When we study the received material and establish an obvious violation of legal rights, we see that black is black, white is white, and we begin to explain to law enforcement agencies, especially the police, and in response we get formal typos, unwillingness to work.

- How do you manage to break through this "indifference"?

- Through the prosecutor's office.

— What other strategic partners do you have to help entrepreneurs?

- Basically, now all public organizations want to conclude an agreement with us on interaction and cooperation, because they see that we can really do something in this direction, we have real results. The partners are the Moscow Bar Association, the main partner is the Department of Regional Anti-Corruption Security of the City of Moscow, we work very closely with them.

We work with the security commission of the Moscow City Duma, which is headed by Svyatenko Inna Yurievna(She also chairs the Supervisory Board of MACC). Well, the Moscow Prosecutor's Office is the main partner through which we break through the stone wall of heartlessness, indifference and lawlessness.

- You have an anniversary, 5 years of MAKK, briefly list 5 results of the committee's work.

- The first is 10 areas of work covering the entire spectrum of anti-corruption legislation. We unfolded it all. This is a call-in hotline, anti-corruption expertise and explanatory and educational work.
An important point is the publishing work: we publish guidelines, monographs on anti-corruption topics; the most significant is the first textbook of the Russian Federation (“Combating Corruption in the Russian Federation,” PASMI note) under our authorship; we have our own media outlet - we publish the magazine Vestnik. Here is the specific result.

And then, we are not an opposition organization, we are an organization with an initiative civil position, supporting the president's initiative.

“But the fight against corruption is not always politics.

“We are fighting corruption, not the state. We support the state in this direction.

- Of all the appeals to you - what are their main flows connected with?

- Firstly, complaints are about the illegal holding of auctions, various tenders; to unlawful checks by the Federal Tax Service (Federal Tax Service, - approx. PASMI); unscheduled, illegal inspections by the police. These are the main ones.

- Since the beginning of the year, in which much remains of the former, 94-FZ. How do you rate it?

- Now the positive thing in this direction, in the tender policy, is the widespread introduction of independent observers, independent experts. Now we are receiving requests for MACCA experts to participate in tenders in order to ensure openness and prevent a corruption component there. When an independent expert of our committee appears there, the work is carried out in a completely different way, it will be difficult to agree there, and the “cabal” will go down in history.

- Last question. What are the future tasks of the committee?

- The tasks are to expand this activity throughout Russia and go to the regions. Moreover, the regions themselves turned to us to open representative offices.

Interviewed by Denis Balashov

Chairman of the Board of the International Public Organization "National Committee of Public Control", Co-Chairman of the MACC at the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry

• Born in 1958 in the Ulyanovsk region in the family of a rural worker. Higher education, candidate of legal sciences, honorary doctor of legal sciences of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, honorary veteran Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation.
• From 1976 to 1978 he served in the Soviet Army in the prosecutor's office of the Tallinn garrison of the Estonian SSR. From 1979 to 2007 he served in the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. From a guard policeman he rose to the rank of head of the Department of Internal Affairs.
• From 2007 to 2013, he worked at the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry as Director for Economic Security and Anti-Corruption. Organizer and initiator of education public organization in 2009, at the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry - the Moscow Anti-Corruption Committee (MACC at the MCCI), whose chairman he was elected by the decision of the Board of the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry. The Committee is successfully working with the support separate order Government of Moscow No. 295 dated 27.08.2009.
• The organizer and initiator of the creation of the Interregional public organization for the promotion of programs in the field of combating and combating corruption "National Committee for Public Control" (NGO "NCOC") of which he is the head. Member of the Presidium of Officers of Russia LLC.
• Member of the Public Prosecutor's Office of the Moscow Prosecutor's Office, the Interregional Transport Prosecutor's Office, the UFSSP of the Russian Federation in Moscow. Expert of the State Duma of the Russian Federation (committee on security and anti-corruption) and the Moscow City Duma (commission on security).
• Awarded with many state and departmental awards, author of textbooks and monographs on legal and anti-corruption topics.
• Professor of the Department of UP of the International Law Institute.

Born in 1958 in the Ulyanovsk region in the family of a rural worker.

From 1976 to 1978 he served in the Soviet Army in the prosecutor's office of the Tallinn garrison of the Estonian SSR.

Education

Higher education, candidate of legal sciences, honorary doctor of legal sciences of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, honorary veteran of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. Professor of the UPD Department of the International Law Institute.

Labor activity

From 1979 to 2007 he served in the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. From a guard policeman he rose to the rank of head of the Department of Internal Affairs.

Interaction and cooperation of the National Committee of Public Control with the All-Russian Public Organization "People's Front" (ONF)

From 2007 to 2013, he worked at the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry as Director for Economic Security and Anti-Corruption.

Moscow Anti-Corruption Committee

The organizer and initiator of the formation of a public organization in 2009 at the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry - the Moscow Anti-Corruption Committee (MACC at the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry), whose chairman he was elected by the decision of the Board of the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry. The Committee successfully works with the support of a separate order of the Government of Moscow No. 295 dated August 27, 2009. The organizer and initiator of the creation of the Interregional public organization for the promotion of programs in the field of combating and combating corruption "National Committee for Public Control" (NGO "NCOC") of which he is the head. Member of the Presidium of Officers of Russia LLC.

Competition of scientific works in Federal Service bailiffs

Expert activity

Member of the Public Prosecutor's Office of the Moscow Prosecutor's Office, the Interregional Transport Prosecutor's Office, the UFSSP of the Russian Federation in Moscow. Expert of the State Duma of the Russian Federation (committee on security and anti-corruption) and the Moscow City Duma (commission on security). Awarded with many state and departmental awards, author of textbooks and monographs on legal and anti-corruption topics.

Interview: Conversation on anti-corruption policy and public control in Russia. Theory and practice

The problem of corruption is no surprise today. It is no secret that an accountant in his work may encounter it. Where to turn for help in Moscow and how to counteract extortionists - in our interview.

Mansur Ravilovich Yusupov , Chairman of the Moscow Anti-Corruption Committee at the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Director of the Directorate for Combating Corruption and Ensuring Economic Security

Mansur Ravilovich, can an accountant apply to the Moscow Anti-Corruption Committee if, for example, an official extorts a bribe from him?

Undoubtedly, an accountant can contact us. We, together with the prosecutor's office and the UBEP, are organizing a set of measures that will help to expose and detain the extortionist. For efficient operation, an agreement on interaction and cooperation was signed between the Moscow Anti-Corruption Committee at the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and Industry (MACC) and the Moscow Prosecutor's Office.

They contact us quite often, up to ten calls a day. As a rule, heads of enterprises, together with financial directors or accountants, apply for problems arising in financial activities. In addition to extortion, this can be, for example, raider takeovers, hostile takeover attempts, etc.

- What should be done if an official extorts money?

In the case of extortion, it is necessary, if possible, to record a conversation with an official on a voice recorder, for example, on a mobile phone. Then you can contact us by phone, write an e-mail or come to the office.

- And if such a record could not be obtained, then what to do.

If it was not possible to make a dictaphone recording, it is necessary to write a statement about the fact of extortion and transfer it to law enforcement agencies directly or through us. But in any case, it will be up to the authorized bodies to decide how to organize a red-handed arrest and initiate a criminal case. MACC experts may be involved in the case as consultants.

I also want to say that extortionists do not always act openly: you give me money, I give you a good solution for a tax audit. Hidden forms of pressure are often used: incorrect interpretation of regulations, use of internal instructions and departmental orders. In this case, upon a complaint from an accountant, we can use the help of expert economists who will examine the requirements of the Federal Tax Service for legality. This conclusion will be proof of the excess of official powers of the official.

- Tell me, will the committee consider an anonymous application?

No, we do not consider anonymous applications. By law, only FSB officers, in cases where anonymous information is of operational interest, consider anonymous letters. But at the same time, I want to inform you that MACC works confidentially with the person who applied.

- Mansur Ravilovich, where is it better to turn after all if they extort a bribe: to the MAKK, the prosecutor's office or the Ministry of Internal Affairs?

It all depends on what structure the official is from. If the extortionist is a police officer, then to the prosecutor's office, if he is from the prosecutor's office, it is better to the FSB, etc. If it is difficult to determine who is better to contact, come to us. Knowing the situation from the inside, we will decide how to get rid of the corrupt official.

- What else does the committee do besides helping entrepreneurs?

We also conduct an independent anti-corruption legal review of various bills and regulations. We also regularly send legislators our proposals on countering raiding, counterfeit products and organized crime. We are actively working on improving the work of control and supervisory bodies.

In our opinion, the most effective way to counteract corruption is the rotation of all bureaucratic positions. For example, it is necessary to carry out a change of leadership (top officials and deputies) in state institutions every three years. Rotation can be done within the structure of one ministry (federal agency, service). It is necessary to transfer an official to an equivalent position with practically similar functions without changing the salary, but, say, to another region, district, district.

- Large scale project. What do you think, if in one city to change places of officials, then there will be no effect?

If rotation is carried out in one city or region, then only with an order not to take any of the former subordinates. The main goal is to break up persistent corruption schemes, groups and communities established over the years. Ever since Soviet times, corruption has flourished through the selection of personnel on the basis of nepotism and kinship. This is what needs to be dealt with first.

Maria Brener, correspondent of the magazine "Glavbuh"